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From:  Maggie (HUGSMAGGIE)   11/24/2001 12:38 pm  
To:  ALL    
 
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I hope this isn't too long. I think you'll find it interesting. We need to pray for wisdom in this for our President, whom I love and respect. I pray his decisions in this brings us God's blessings. 
Here's what God says through the prophet Joel: 

"And I will judge them there, for my people and my heritage, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and parted or divided my land." 
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The Danger of Opposing God's Plan for the Holy Land 

By Chris Mitchell 
Middle East Bureau 

November 16, 2001 

http://www.CBN.com - JERUSALEM  Israel has felt increasing pressure from the U.S. and other nations in recent weeks, and the Biblical borders of Israel continue to emerge as the central issue. Chuck Cohen, a Messianic pastor from Jerusalem, spoke recently with CBN News about what the Bible has to say concerning the land of Israel. 

CHRIS MITCHELL: What does the Bible say about what happens to nations or leaders when they divide the land of Israel? 

CHUCK COHEN: Joel 3, verse one and two says very clearly this: "For behold in those days and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem  thats a Hebrew idiomatic phrase for the return of the Jewish people to the land of Israel  I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat, the valley of Gods judgment. And I will judge them there, for my people and my heritage, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and parted or divided my land." 

And therefore, the nations that choose to divide Gods land, and this is Gods land primarily, are in a conflict with God Himself. And thats one of the reasons I was concerned to hear that President Bush stood in the UN just yesterday and said the United States is still in favor of a Palestinian state. And he didnt say it, but most people in world believe thats a Palestinian state on Gods land. And that is diametrically opposed to Gods Word. And its going to bring  if it hasnt already brought  the U.S. into conflict with the God of Israel. 

MITCHELL: What has happened historically to nations that have opposed Gods plan? 

COHEN: Well, even when God has sent nations to punish Israel, such as Babylon, they have often gone too far. Theyve kind of licked their chops [thinking] "now weve got Gods people in our hands," and theyve gone too far. And then Gods turned around and destroyed them. He does use nations to judge Israel. But there is a limit on how far they can go; and usually, nations go too far. 

We can see it in Britain. In 1850, the early Christian Zionists all came from the United Kingdom. And I believe God was very pleased with that. And as time went on, he ended up giving  after World War I or during World War I  the Balfour Declaration came out of Britain. He ended up giving the Palestinian mandate for a Jewish homeland to England. Soon as the war was over, as soon as they got that, it was Winston Churchill then who took 75 percent of the Promised Land that the world said should be a Jewish homeland, and gave it to  called it the kingdom of Transjordan  its now Jordan today. That was part of what the world had agreed should be, or the League of Nations had agreed should be, a homeland for the Jewish people. From that point on, you can see the downfall of the United Kingdom. And whereas the sun had never set on the United Kingdom before that, finally, by the time they ended up physically resisting the Jewish people coming home from concentration camps, their kingdom fell apart where theyre a second rate island nation now. 

MITCHELL: Many people look at this as perhaps simply a political issue. In what way is it, does it transcend just politics? 

COHEN: Many people in the Church are uptight about, especially in the West, about combining politics with Gods Word. But if you dont want to look at politics and Gods Word, youve got to not read Psalm 2: "Why do the nations rage and the kingdoms imagine a vain thing." Youve got to not read what Ive just read in chapter 3 of Joel. Youve got to eliminate so many other things, including the book of Revelation. God works through politics to fulfill His Word. And yes, its a political issue. And maybe President Bush was just speaking politically. But he made a statement to the world thats diametrically opposed to what Gods will is for this land and this people. Please understand, Chris, this is not Israels land. This is not the Jewish peoples land. This is Gods land that He has given to the people He has chosen. Leviticus 25:23 says, "This land is mine. It shall not be sold forever. You are strangers and sojourners with me." And therefore, Israel, the Jewish people, do not have a right to give away this land  even if there were true peace being offered to us. 

And thats another issue: there is no true peace. Were dealing with people, the vast majority of them are Muslims. And in Islam, the Koran says very clearly you cannot make true peace with the infidels. The most you can do, when were considered part of the people of the book, but still "dimmi"  second class citizens there  the most they can do is make peace for ten years if the enemy is stronger, until the Islamic nation is strong enough to overturn that enemy, like Mohammed did with the Korash tribe way in the beginning. And then theyve extended it to, now, maybe you can go twenty years. 

Theres no real peace being offered to us, Chris. This land once belonged to Islam. They will do anything they can to get it back because thats what their god commands them. Meanwhile, our God says, "This land belongs to me. Ive given it to Israel. If you touch it, youre touching the apple of Gods eye." 

MITCHELL: So, is itif any international body like the UN or the U.S. opposes this, theyre not simply opposing a political plan, theyre opposing God Himself? 

COHEN: Yes. I dont think you can say it much more clearly than that. Theyre opposing Gods plan to restore Israel themselves. Now, we need to understand something, though. People think that some of us who are very strong in support of this are just concerned about Israel. But this is a global issue. Paul said in Romans 11: "If the rejection of the Jews be the salvation of the Gentiles, what will their acceptance be, but life from the dead for the world?" So there is something that happens with the acceptance of Jewish people back into the Kingdom, when all Israel gets saved, that turns out to be global blessings. 

The Old Testament says repeatedly, I will bring my people back in unbelief. Ezekiel 36, for example: "And then on the mountains of Israel, I will save them." Satan knows this. He wants to keep us off the mountains of Israel. Right now, the mountains of Israel  in which maybe 80 to 90 percent of all the covenants that God made with the Jewish people occurred  where Moses walked, where David was crowned king in Hebron, where Jerusalem was where God put his holy name  that is called the "occupied territories." 

Its inconceivable that the whole, or right now it seems to me like a satanic plot, the whole world is against God bringing His people back to this land, so that He can save them, so that there can be global blessings. Well obviously, the enemy doesnt want that. Humanists dont want that. You see, this is also  not only is the restoration of Israel a thorn in the side of Islamic theology, its also a thorn in the side of humanistic theology. Because humanists dont believe there is a God. Well this is the first time in all history that a nation has been scattered, has not been assimilated, has been brought back to its original land, with its original language, in its original cities, just like it says so in the Word of God. So the humanists are dying to get rid of us, because, hey, it proves there is a living God  and the world doesnt want to deal with that. This is one of Gods end-time witnesses: the restoration of the nation of Israel, and thats why there are such global forces trying to resist this. They wont succeed. 

But Chris, my concern is, where is the Church? I dont expect politicians, I dont expect Moslems, I dont expect humanists to stand with Israel. I dont. But I expect the Church to. And the Church, for the most part, is not. At least the Church in the West is not. Most of the church in the West is more concerned with humanistic things: well what about the poor Palestinians? Well let me ask you: what about the poor Palestinians? Are they better right now under that mass terrorist Arafat, who is ending up causing them to be killed, tortured? Robbing their money? If you can get some of the common Palestinians to really speak to you, youll hear the kind of stuff were hearing. 

The Christians amongst the Palestinians are having a terrible time, because Islam doesnt like them. In Bethlehem it says first the Saturday people then the Sunday people. And so weve got this Church looking at the desire to have a Palestinian state, where what Im doing is looking at the desires for the Palestinians to have an eternal state. If there is a Palestinian state, what will most of the Moslems in the world believe? Allah gained a victory over the God of Israel. Now, is that what we want? Not me. I want there to never be a Palestinian state so that the Moslems will recognize that Allah is not God, that the Koran is not the Word of God, but that the Bible is the Word of God. 

Every time theres been a war in which Israel has miraculously won, there have been more and more Moslems who have gotten saved. And so I am looking at their eternal state. The best thing for the Palestinians  not humanistically, Biblically  is for there not to be a Palestinian state, but for Israel to possess her possessions. Its also the best thing for the Church. But the Church doesnt recognize that. The Church, according to the New Testament, has been grafted out of her olive tree, and grafted into Israels olive tree. 

The Churchs destiny it tied in with this nation and its people. Chris, your destiny is tied in with Israel and the Jewish people much more than its tied in with the destiny of America. Let me give you an example: what happens if, God forbid, America is destroyed, and its happened before to world superpowers? What will happen with your eternal salvation? Are you still saved? Are you still going to heaven? Do you still have eternal life through Jesus? Of course you do. But what happens if Israel is destroyed and the Jewish people are wiped out, like the enemy has been trying to do ever since Pharaoh, through Haman, through the Inquisition, through the Crusades, through Hitler. What happens? If Israel is destroyed and the Jewish people totally wiped out, that proves that this Book is a lie, and your salvation is destroyed. Your destiny is tied in with Israel and the Jewish people because you have been cut out of your wild olive tree, you have been grafted into Israels olive tree, and the root supports you. And the Church, for the most part, doesnt understand this. They think that this is just some political issue and they want peace. Were talking about something much deeper than peace. Were talking about which word is the Word of God. Its the basis of our salvation  the Word of God. 

Part 2 of this interview will be featured next week on CBN.com 

Come visit us on Dr. Laura Supporters and Warriors. :) 

Hugs, 
Maggie 

 
From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/24/2001 1:05 pm  
To:  Maggie (HUGSMAGGIE)   (2 of 7)  
 
  273.2 in reply to 273.1  
 
Hi Maggie,

 

Thank you for another Excellent post!

Your post really captures my thoughts exactly.

 

I agree, it is always worth remembering one of Gods original promises He made to Abraham and that is 

 

Genesis 12:1-3

Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land (Israel) that I will shew thee: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

 

God made it clear and simple that Abraham and his descendants (the Jewish Nation) are a Blessing to the world and anyone who opposes them is actually opposing God.

 

I have been looking for some information on this topic to post and came across some very good postings supportive of both Israel and the President on the Web Site 

 

www.BushCountry.org/

 

Scroll down the page to get to the articles, you might even have to go into the older articles.

 

This web page is significant because it is one of the leading support for President Bush web sites.

 

Thanks Again,

God Bless You,

David



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    11/24/2001 1:44 pm  
To:  ALL   (3 of 7)  
 
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Oh Yeah, and I forgot to mention Prayer!

 

I think that now we are past the time of asking for prayer. Right now is the time that we need to be Pleading for Prayer! Prayer is Crucial!

 

There is a banner hanging over the freeway near where I live and it is totally appropriate it say Pray  For such a time as this.

 

Esther 4:14

 For if thou altogether holdest thy peace at this time, then shall there enlargement and deliverance arise to the Jews from another place; but thou and thy father's house shall be destroyed: and who knoweth  whether thou art come  to the kingdom  for such a time  as this?

 

If we Christians cannot get motivated or cant see the need of Praying for ourselves our families our nation, the Jews the world and for one another in these perilous times then I dont think people will ever value or understand the privilege we have in Prayer to God.

 

This truly is the time each day to turn off the TV to put down the Newspaper to shut off the computer and to open up the Bible and to get down on our knees and to dialogue in serious talking and listening to God.

 

And it reminds me of a funny saying it is about a Preacher that passes on to Heaven and an Angel is showing the Preacher and a group of new arrivals to their new houses in Heaven. The Preacher is positive that a huge mansion awaits him. Much to his surprise the Preacher gets a small shack and a Taxi Driver gets the huge mansion on the hill. The Preacher tried not to complain but after a while he just had to complain so he went to the Angel and asked why the Taxi Driver got the mansion and not him. The Angel replied that well when the Preacher spoke  well  people slept, but when that Taxi Driver drove well- people they prayed!"

 

Lets honor God and pray to Him in our comforts as well as in our trials. And please include the Basic Christian: forum in your Prayers.

 

Thanks,

God Bless You,

David



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
 
  
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  From:  Alexander G. Thwarpton (GOD_IS_KING)   12/19/2001 4:13 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 7)  
 
  273.4 in reply to 273.3  
 
Yes, I am extremely in favor of Bush and all of his policies! I will pray for Georege, especially because he is under such trememdous stress in defending us from terror! 
  
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   From:  karen (karen10051)   12/20/2001 11:10 am  
To:  Alexander G. Thwarpton (GOD_IS_KING) unread  (7 of 7)  
 
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just posting so itdoesnt come up as unread...
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